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How frequenty do you want to play 81-Ou games?
4 games per month (1 game per week) 36%  36%  [ 9 ]
3 games per month 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
2 games per month (1 game in 2 weeks) 44%  44%  [ 11 ]
1.5 games per month (3 games in 2 month) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
1 game per month 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 25
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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 04:07 
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The idea of NDMC seems very good. It is clearly better to make a few C-classes in parallel and playoffs like NDMC explained. Larger class with Swiss pairings is less flexible in terms of planification.


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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 18:59 
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The match tables are ready.
You may start playing the games with your opponents.
http://www.81squareuniverse.com/league/81ou/term02.html

Note:

1.
This time, you see "a", "b", "c", "d", "e" characters in the match table.
Please play your games in this order. Recommended periods for each character is also specified on the right of each match table.
So, what you do is, you first find "a" in your table row, and you know who you are supposed to arrange game schedule with. If "a"-games (two games per player) are not done until the end of September, you might receive losses-by-default for "a"-games.
I did this to moderate the game frequency of all players.
In the previous term, some players played so many games in the early period, and some others didn't play most of the game until near the end. I don't want that to happen in this term.

2.
Please make game schedule arrangements at this BBS.
http://www3.rocketbbs.com/731/Hidetchi.html
You write your name in "Name" field, and your opponent's name in "Subject" field. For example, "To: Hidetchi (About 81-Ou A-Class schedule)" as the subject.
The BBS has RSS Feed. You can click on "フィード" (sorry, it's written in Japanese) and you will easily notified about the new posts on your RSS readers.
[NOTE] If you do not reply for ONE WEEK to your opponent's post that asks for schedule arrangement with you, you might receive a loss-by-default. So be careful. I recommend checking out your RSS reader or the BBS itself at least once in every 3 days or so.

You may also make arrangements through other means than the BBS. But I recommend using the BBS, because:
(1) When your offer was made outside the BBS, you won't get the right to declare win-by-default even if your opponent doesn't reply to it for a week.
(2) If you've arranged the schedule on the BBS, I'll be able to write that schedule on the Google Calender so that other players can watch your games. It will warm up 81-SquareUniverse community.

By the way, I am now considering awarding prize to the winner.
(Maybe shogi board, pieces, or Japanese shogi books, etc.)
But I'm still just considering... I'm not sure yet how much budget I can afford to it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 13:20 
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Hi

I know that we are supposed to play a game every 2 weeks, but default defeat after a week inactivity seems a little harsh to me, especially now when most of the players will go to a holiday. (I am not in danger i just came back:P)

Let's hope this won't happen... at brainking i won against a much stronger opponent because he was hospitalized, what will we do if something like this happens?

I don't really like that the order we have to play is given (probably because you are my 'a') I would have just skipped the entire august and played most of my games in september... Still I see your point.

What happens if neither of the players will try to contact the other and they run out of the given time?

I know that you are just considering the prizes, but in that case an entry fee should be payed, at least i think so.

P.S.: I am in A class while takodori and Koshiro in C class.XD I better drop to B class next term:)


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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 18:11 
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@Linkuei:

A player only has to play one game per 2 weeks in average. But that doesn't mean you can ignore someone's post for 2 weeks. It's just a matter of courtesy. I think it is rude to make someone just keep waiting for your answer for a long time.
Suppose player A asked for schedule arrangement, and 2 weeks later B replied "OK, how about this day or that day?", and 2 weeks later A replied "Oh I can't play that day. How about the day after tomorrow?", and 2 weeks later B says "Oh, sorry, I didn't see your post, so how about...".
Then they won't be able to play one game per 2 weeks in average, right?

Linkuei wrote:
default defeat after a week inactivity seems a little harsh to me, especially now when most of the players will go to a holiday.
I would have just skipped the entire august and played most of my games in september...


It's very simple. If you know you won't be available for weeks (for example on holidays), you just tell so to your opponents on the BBS before you leave. If you're not available in August, you just in advance ask your "a"-opponents to wait until September, then you won't receive a loss-by-default.
Oh, but hospitalization? Sudden injury of disease maybe? Well, in that kind of cases you may not have a chance to inform others about that. In that case, there's nothing could be done. He'll have to accept loss-by-default. (But maybe later on when the winner knows the reason, perhaps he might offer to cancel his win. I don't know..)

So, anyway you can change the schedule if the original schedule is inconvenient for you. But please don't ask to change just because you don't want to play against me so soon. ;) I don't want to play against a strong player like you so soon, either. But a,b,c,d,e are just picked randomly. We basically have to stick to the order. :)

Linkuei wrote:
What happens if neither of the players will try to contact the other and they run out of the given time?


Both players lose by default. They both get 0 point for that game.

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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 18:20 
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if anyone in one of the other classes (i'm in B class) ever want to play a practice game or anything i'm always up for a game and i'm pretty much never busy. i'm awake from 12pm-2am EST (east coast USA). i will put this on the schedule arrangement addressed to "Anyone" or something like that.


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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 07:56 
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After seeing kkr5015's post, I came up with an idea.

How about we do "practice meeting" at 81Dojo regularly?

For example, every 1st and 3rd Saturday of months, specific time slot of maybe 3 hours or so.
In this way, many players can gather easily at 81Dojo without making appointments, and play practice games.
We should decide a time slot that is easy for everyone to come.
But it's impossible to pick a time slot that everyone can come, so maybe, meeting for Asia & Europe on 1st Saturday, and meeting for Europe & America on 3rd Saturday, things like that.
If we're going to do that, I think I'll put the meeting schedule on 81SU webpage.

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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 13:42 
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Hidetchi wrote:
After seeing kkr5015's post, I came up with an idea.

How about we do "practice meeting" at 81Dojo regularly?

For example, every 1st and 3rd Saturday of months, specific time slot of maybe 3 hours or so.
In this way, many players can gather easily at 81Dojo without making appointments, and play practice games.
We should decide a time slot that is easy for everyone to come.
But it's impossible to pick a time slot that everyone can come, so maybe, meeting for Asia & Europe on 1st Saturday, and meeting for Europe & America on 3rd Saturday, things like that.
If we're going to do that, I think I'll put the meeting schedule on 81SU webpage.

Now, this post requires facebook "Like" button :D . I'm pressing it right now, although I can't find it on this forum(obviously). If it is for Europe, then I suggest the meeting time to be around 8-12:00 UTC. And for the America it would be probably 15-20:00 UTC. I also suggest for everyone to arrange their games and talk about time schedule in UTC time. I suggest, that anyone SHOULD NOT use constructs like 16:00 your local time etc. It is possible you are wrong about your opponents local time, or your oponnent is wrong about your local time.

I suggest instead always use constructs like: Let's play 15:00 UTC. Why do I suggest this? Because UTC is ALWAYS the same. I mean. Greenwitch time is NOT always the same as it It changes according to daylight saving time, which is applied differently among countries(some have 2 hours shift, some have 45 minutes shift-although that is rare and some dont even have it and all the countries that use DST apply it at different dates).. UTC is great for such occassions as this is and is commonly used and acknowledged Timezone(as it helps to calm down unbearable headaches of programmers). What about it?


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 Post subject: Re: 2nd-term 81-Ou League
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 15:36 
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Meetings in saturdays sounds really fun. It would be a great opportunity to learn and to teach!

But how exactly it would look like? Many players playing with each other? Maybe two good players playing and disscussion after game? Lessons about some joseki?

We can also think about other ways to teach, like ajaban.

And i propose, first to ask, how many players and from what continents would be interested in this, then think about time problems :)


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