The 81-Square Universe

This bug has probably something to do with the server, but as I am not sure, please check it out. This is kifu of my game:

開始日時: 2010/8/10
場所: 81-Dojo
手合割:平手
先手:Lukas1
後手:kurapika
手数----指手---------消費時間--
1 ７六歩(77) ( 0:2)
2 ３四歩(33) ( 0:8)
3 ２六歩(27) ( 0:1)
4 ８八角(22) ( 0:4)
5 ８八銀(79) ( 0:2)
6 ２二銀(31) ( 0:1)
7 ２五歩(26) ( 0:4)
8 ３三銀(22) ( 0:1)
9 ３六歩(37) ( 0:1)
10 ３一金(41) ( 0:6)
11 ３八銀(39) ( 0:1)
12 ４二玉(51) ( 0:1)
13 ３七銀(38) ( 0:1)
14 ３二玉(42) ( 0:3)
15 ７八金(69) ( 0:1)
16 ４二飛(82) ( 0:6)
17 ５八金(49) ( 0:3)
18 １四歩(13) ( 0:2)
19 １六歩(17) ( 0:2)
20 ９四歩(93) ( 0:4)
21 ６八玉(59) ( 0:2)
22 ５二飛(42) ( 0:2)
23 ６六歩(67) ( 0:4)
24 ５四歩(53) ( 0:2)
25 ６七金(58) ( 0:1)
26 ５五歩(54) ( 0:1)
27 ８六歩(87) ( 0:3)
28 ７二金(61) ( 0:6)
29 ７七銀(88) ( 0:4)
30 ５一飛(52) ( 0:1)
31 ７五歩(76) ( 0:1)
32 ６二銀(71) ( 0:1)
33 ７六銀(77) ( 0:1)
34 ５三銀(62) ( 0:1)
35 ７七玉(68) ( 0:1)
36 ４四銀(53) ( 0:2)
37 ４六歩(47) ( 0:18)
38 ４七角打 ( 0:8)
39 ６八金(78) ( 0:10)
40 ５六歩(55) ( 0:15)
41 ９六歩(97) ( 0:21)
42 ８四歩(83) ( 0:14)
43 ６五銀(76) ( 0:5)
44 ５七歩成(56) ( 0:15)
45 ５七金(68) ( 0:2)
46 ６九角成(47) ( 0:12)
47 ６八金(67) ( 0:24)
48 ７九馬(69) ( 0:6)
49 ７八角打 ( 0:5)
50 ８五歩(84) ( 0:15)
51 ８五歩(86) ( 0:2)
52 ７八馬(79) ( 0:4)
53 ７八玉(77) ( 0:3)
54 ５九角打 ( 0:28)
55 ５八飛(28) ( 0:16)
56 ６八角成(59) ( 0:17)
57 ６八玉(78) ( 0:3)
58 ８六歩打 ( 0:8)
59 ５四歩打 ( 0:17)
60 ８七歩成(86) ( 0:4)
61 ８四歩(85) ( 0:13)
62 ８八と(87) ( 0:6)
63 ７七桂(89) ( 0:4)
64 ７八金打 ( 0:7)
65 ５九玉(68) ( 0:2)
66 ７七金(78) ( 0:8)
67 ８三歩成(84) ( 0:6)
68 ７八と(88) ( 0:9)
69 ４九玉(59) ( 0:20)
70 ６八と(78) ( 0:4)
71 ２八飛(58) ( 0:2)
72 ８三金(72) ( 0:15)
73 ７二角打 ( 0:7)
74 ８二金(83) ( 0:7)
75 ６三角成(72) ( 0:3)
76 ５八歩打 ( 0:8)
77 ４五歩(46) ( 0:17)
78 ５九歩成(58) ( 0:19)
79 ３八玉(49) ( 0:2)
80 ５五銀(44) ( 0:11)
81 ５三歩成(54) ( 0:4)
82 ５八と(68) ( 0:9)
83 ５二と(53) ( 0:5)
84 ７一飛(51) ( 0:7)
85 ５三角打 ( 0:23)
86 ７二飛(71) ( 0:23)
87 ５六歩打 ( 0:15)
88 ５七と(58) ( 0:17)
89 ５五歩(56) ( 0:2)
90 ５八と(57) ( 0:30)
91 ６二と(52) ( 0:3)
92 切れ負け
93 ４二銀(33) ( 0:13)
94 切れ負け

This says in 92th move Time up for white and then 93 whites silver move and then i was playing black and i simply couldnt move(probably because my client thought, I have won due to time up for white) so i lost on time. Finaly white won the game.

Thanks for the info.
This is the same bug as what we have been experiencing.

I think either of you were using the older version of client applet.
Did the board look like this photo? (with new images on the corners?) http://twitpic.com/2d1643
If not, you were using the older version.
Even if you were using the newest version, same bug could occur if kurapica was using the older version.

I had already updated SWF file with the newest version, but I noticed that the web browser doesn't reload it unless the user pushes the reload button, and users might keep using the older one. I'm sorry.
I'll find a way to force users to reload the SWF as soon as possible.

I'm relieved to know that your game against kurapika wasn't a league game.

I have the newest version, maybe kurapika didn't have the newest version. What do you mean by reloading flash, though? Because flash is being loaded everytime you actually open the page containing it(81dojo in this case), so this might be only issue, when new version of the flash was released and those people who were online at the time of this change may have cached the flash in browser's cache. This should be solved however by for example restarting pc or just turning it off and the turning it on later (which probably most users do). So this shouldnt be an issue anymore, I think.

I think it depends on your web browser.
Some web browser maintains the cache file of the SWF, so even if I delete the SWF file, it runs on your PC next time as if it is still there.

another bug of this type happend:

開始日時: 2010/8/16
場所: 81-Dojo (ver.2010/08/16)
手合割:平手
先手:claudius
後手:widar
手数----指手---------消費時間--
1 ２六歩(27) ( 0:19)
2 ３四歩(33) ( 0:14)
3 ２五歩(26) ( 0:27)
4 ３三角(22) ( 0:24)
5 ７六歩(77) ( 0:9)
6 ２二飛(82) ( 0:53)
7 ３三角成(88) ( 0:8)
8 ３三桂(21) ( 0:26)
9 ８八角打 ( 0:22)
10 ３二銀(31) ( 0:30)
11 ３八銀(39) ( 0:11)
12 ６二玉(51) ( 1:22)
13 ３六歩(37) ( 0:26)
14 ４二金(41) ( 0:12)
15 ３七銀(38) ( 0:36)
16 ７二玉(62) ( 0:14)
17 ６八玉(59) ( 0:10)
18 ４四角打 ( 0:16)
19 ４四角(88) ( 0:29)
20 ４四歩(43) ( 0:9)
21 ３一角打 ( 0:50)
22 ２一飛(22) ( 0:57)
23 ４二角成(31) ( 0:8)
24 ５一金(61) ( 0:34)
25 ３二馬(42) ( 0:18)
26 ５四角打 ( 0:40)
27 ３三馬(32) ( 0:49)
28 ３一飛(21) ( 1:6)
29 ２三馬(33) ( 0:56)
30 ７六角(54) ( 0:30)
31 ７八銀(79) ( 0:11)
32 ３五歩(34) ( 0:16)
33 ３五歩(36) ( 0:42)
34 ３五飛(31) ( 0:47)
35 ３六歩打 ( 0:12)
36 ２七歩打 ( 0:13)
37 ２七飛(28) ( 0:27)
38 ５四角(76) ( 0:13)
39 ２六飛(27) ( 1:45)
40 ２八歩打 ( 0:49)
41 ３五歩(36) ( 0:15)
42 ２九歩成(28) ( 0:10)
43 ２九飛(26) ( 0:22)
44 ７五桂打 ( 0:23)
45 ７九桂打 ( 0:45)
46 ６五角(54) ( 0:56)
47 ５六歩(57) ( 0:31)
48 １四歩(13) ( 0:54)
49 ２二飛打 ( 0:15)
50 ６二銀(71) ( 0:18)
51 ６六銀打 ( 0:42)
52 ６七桂成(75) ( 0:21)
53 ６七桂(79) ( 0:13)
54 ２一歩打 ( 0:2)
55 ６二飛成(22) ( 0:21)
56 ６二金(51) ( 0:25)
57 ６五銀(66) ( 0:3)
58 １五歩(14) ( 0:53)
59 ３三馬(23) ( 0:33)
60 ３一飛打 ( 0:37)
61 １一馬(33) ( 0:20)
62 ３五飛(31) ( 0:7)
63 ６六桂打 ( 1:51)
64 ６五飛(35) ( 0:44)
65 ５五金打 ( 0:34)
66 ６六飛(65) ( 0:25)
67 ７七銀(78) ( 0:49)
68 ７六桂打 ( 0:52)
69 ５七玉(68) ( 0:17)
70 ６八銀打 ( 1:0)
71 ６八金(69) ( 0:11)
72 ６七飛成(66) ( 0:53)
73 ６七玉(57) ( 0:8)
74 ６八桂成(76) ( 0:38)
75 ６八銀(77) ( 0:5)
76 ３六歩打 ( 0:17)
77 ４八銀(37) ( 0:28)
78 ６九金打 ( 0:42)
79 ５八玉(67) ( 0:36)
80 ６八金(69) ( 0:20)
81 ６八玉(58) ( 0:8)
82 ８八銀打 ( 1:0)
83 ３二飛打 ( 0:23)
84 ８九銀(88) ( 0:18)
85 ５一銀打 ( 0:9)
86 ５二桂打 ( 0:30)
87 ６二銀成(51) ( 0:11)
88 ６二玉(72) ( 0:4)
89 ５一角打 ( 0:13)
90 ７一玉(62) ( 0:53)


Claudius couldn't select, nor move any of his pieces.

I think it is important to note, all these issues happen in the byoyomi. I've heard of widar, to whom he happend this also(in byoyomi) and i think this was issue even in the match of oneye in 81 league. It happens, when the byoyomi time is almost over (like two seconds or so). So it's kind of like something can't react fast enough. This should be tested, if this is server side problem, or flash. It seems like flash issue, because the time is actually running out, after first player ends his turn. The second player's starts to count down and he can't move his pieces. I believe the counting down of the time begins after the response from the server of executed move is sent. If not, it should be implemented this way and this even might be the issue. But I can't be sure, since I don't see the code. But this must be something code related, some kind of bug. And it is in the newest version as well.

Thanks for the info.
I need confirmation that claudius was using the latest version.
But, of course, there's a possibility that the bug happens even with the latest version, because I haven't checked how it works under time lag. I can't reproduce time lag when I test. (I'll find a way to do that.)

OK, I reproduced time lag on my client and checked it.
My conclusion is that claudius was using older version.
The fact that Lukas received widar's last move means the server has not sent time up, and was still running.
In that situation, the newest version never prevents the 2nd player from making the next move even if the 1st player's timer runs out on 2nd player's screen.

as far as i know claudius had to use the newest version. Because he registered after the newest version was released. In fact when he registered, it was his first visit on 81squareuniverse.com at all. And it was me, who provided him the link with the newest version. There is no way, he used the older version.